Talk:Final Space Layout

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[edit] General Comments

  • The door will be somewhere on one of the thin walls, so furniture cannot be placed against all of them.--MadScientist 14:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Are we really going to have a TV and an area dedicated to such? Could the TV instead be a white screen and the currently non-existent interlock projector? Then it could be dual use for meetings and presentations etc (admittedly, a TV could be used for presentations). If we did this, I'd like to see the big meeting/working table also oriented to look in on the screen and the loungey area (option b does this). Then people can work and keep track of the lounging or meeting or whatever. --Berticus 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
    • I used a TV icon because it was easier to differentiate from a long rectangle representing a screen. I actually envisioned it as having a projector there. As for couches, people have mentioned comfortable space to just relax and watch a movie, so I've tried in many cases to keep the couches and main meeting table together so that they can both use the projector. --MadScientist 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
  • I'd like to see one big long table, capable of seating at least ten people working. I'd rather work at a table with other people, facing them, instead of having my back to the room all the time (I do like the tables along the wall as well, but I'm thinking mainly for meetings and classes, a larger table we can all gather around would be ideal) --Berticus 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
    • Good point, I'll take this into consideration as I develop new revisions. I'll re-orient the desks so that they face each other instead. I use desks because steel secretaries desks are easy to acquire, incredibly durable, and offer a lot of storage in the drawers.--MadScientist 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
    • This is what I have in my mind when I'm blabbering about a superbiglong workbench. This is at NYC Resistor. --Berticus 13:38, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
    • I see what you're getting at. I like the large central table with a few work areas off to the sides that they have. Do you have a preference for something 4'x16' like theirs or 8'x8' as in "option C"?--MadScientist 07:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
      • Guess it depends on what fits the space best. I imagine an 8x8 square would have more "wasted" space in the middle, and less perimeter space to seat people (per square foot of floor space).--Berticus 15:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Do we want a real stove/oven? I bet it could be scrounged pretty easily. We'd have to communicate with Felix about this. I was just envisioning a hot plate on the counter myself... depends on if people want to bake or heat more than one or two pots at a time. --Berticus 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
    • I think hot plate is where we will be for a while. (Though yes, a stove would be easy to acquire) I added a real stove because it had been mentioned on IRC and would make for a nice addition.--MadScientist 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
  • We should explore building desks or shelves or even just wee standing-height table/elbow-receptacles on the columns. I'm thinking bar/cafe eating-on-the-run standup tables (there's gotta be a better name). It'd be super-easy to run power down the column to the center of any such structures. --Berticus 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
    • "Elbow-Recepticals" - Awesome. You're right, this would be quite easy. Let me know what size surface you are thinking of and I'll add it into a revision.--MadScientist 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
  • I share Ashumz's concern that the couch area is pretty disproportionately large. These layouts also don't leave any room for floor-standing equipment. Whoo... too much negativity! Sorry. Obviously things will sort of fill the space organically when we get there, and these are a really good start for general guidance. I quite like option A thus far. If the big table was elongated a bit it'd be pretty perfect. I'm thinking we can come up with some sort of soft wall system for differentiating the storage area... we could string up cables and drape some old truck tarps with our logo vinyl cut and sewed into it. Inside the "kitchen" area is pretty tall (slightly taller ceiling / lower floor, plus less gunky pipes in the way) so we should explore going vertical and maximizing storage up in there. --Berticus 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
    • The actual size of the furniture will depend on what we can get...I'll be sure to stretch the icon for the meeting table in the next revision. As for storage, if we're not a bunch of slobs, we don't need a separate room. I suggested the delineation with a line on the floor, that if we pass, means we need to clear out some junk as a way to keep from filling the space with "trash"--MadScientist 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Nothing in the layouts lists anything for network support, servers etc. I would also suggest building the door locations into the space ideas so that we can take all of the non-moveable things into account. In fact nothing telecom is mentioned. I would think ideally the production servers, switches and routers should all be located where the DEMARK is. Do we know where that is yet? IGadget 19:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
    • Once that has been decided we can work out how to most efficiently wire the space as well. If we have the wire, I'd like to put a pair of drops on the poles as well, opposite of the power. IGadget 20:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Good to see Option M, the first to include the location of the door. The space to the north (left, in this orientation) of the door is going to be a bit out-of-the-way and difficult to use in an interactive way, so I'm thinking some storage of some kind might be appropriate there. I'm not sure what went into putting the rack in the southeast corner, but I'm wondering if this northeast corner might be a better place. With the kitchen in the northwest, this would put much of our fixed infrastructure on one side or the other of the north end of the space, allowing a much broader sweep of the south end to be flexibly and changibly* arrayed. Looking at it another way, if one draws a line from the northwest corner (where the fridge is shown in the kitchen) to the southeast corner (where the current gap in the wall is, where the server racks might go), then having the rack in that other corner would put rack, kitchen, door all in one triangular "half" of the space, and leave the other triangular half reconfigurable. I'd also maybe then put the lockers along the wall parallel to the long hall, to the left as one comes in the door. Deejoe 01:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
  • As for the kitchen, a stove is a must for curing polymer clay! ;-) Seriously, it'll be a good thing to have at some point. I don't have a feel for the dimensions of where things are in the kitchen diagrams, but my gut reaction is that the sink is too close to the wall on the left, as one faces it. I don't know if it breaks up the counter too much to have that moved towards the stove location a little bit, or if there are other plumbing constraints that require it be so close to the corner. I wash my fair share of dishes, and find it handy to have some room on each side of a sink. Plus, if it's too close to a wall on the side, that'll be another surface that requires a splashguard. If we have potlucks in the space, or events with food other than pizza, there will be washing-up to do. Also, disposal? I know, anything that would go down the disposal should probably be composted, or could be thrown out, but frankly, a disposal is the heaviest piece of kitchen machinery there often is and so I get all gadget-lusty about that. If we need contiguous counter space, perhaps the recycling/trash/compost bins could go under a counter on the north side of the kitchen area? We also will want to have some pantry-type space in the kitchen for storing basic dry goods and utensils. That would probably be best done over the counter over the recycling/trash so they stay dry (eg, not by the sink) and cool (eg, not by the stove). Dishes, pots & pans, etc will go around the sink and stove. Deejoe 01:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
  • As for general furniture layout: Big heavy stuff should probably live near the edges of the space more often than not, so it doesn't have to be dragged out of the way too often to make room for all our big ol' tech-geek hoedowns. That means Lazee Boys, big heavy desks, and other heavier pieces and so forth need to be back back back. For instance, Option A--I like the desks under the windows there, maybe wrapping around to back onto the sink-side of the kitchen. Light chairs and folding tables can go in the middle most of the time in some extended fashion as per the Reactor picture, but they need to be kept mostly clear for rapid redployment of the center of the space for waltzing or potlucks or screenings or classes or for First Friday schmoozing. Maybe instead of putting the desks with their long-edge along the windowed wall, they could be put with a short edge against that wall to make a series of alcoves, with a desk in each corner (facing toward and away from the kitchen) and then a couple of pairs of desks back-to-back. The would enable people working together to cluster around a pair of desks, and make it so that any single person sitting in front of a desk wasn't sitting with a back to the rest of the room and to the door. Deejoe 01:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
  • The previews for each layout are no longer displaying properly. The links to the Visio drawings aren't working either. :( BinaryMan 01:16, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Comments on A

  • This has very distinctly separate areas for work, relaxing, storage, and fooding.--MadScientist 14:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC
  • This one is my personal favorite, but I am hesitant to say we should have such a huge area dedicated to couches. I'd say, to start, we can fit the furniture we have in that back room and use more of the open space to line the walls with workbenches and computer desk type areas. Maybe another large sitting area like in the 'meeting' area (upper left) where the couch area is. We'll have to see how much seating area we can fit in that back room, but I have a hunch what we have right now will fit in there OK for the time being, and we can add comfy stuff as needed (and maybe we could keep that area as close to the back room as possible since thats food'ish area, and we want to keep that area consolidated probably. Maybe a couch right outside that room also?
    • I will look at swapping some areas to reduce the size of the lounge space and increase meeting space. I didn't put couches in the back room because I didn't want it to feel secluded. I put the appliances in there because that's where the utilities are currently.--MadScientist 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Comments on B

  • Why does this one have a piano?--MadScientist 14:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
  • I think we shouldn't "use up" one of the windows illuminating a storage space, especially if that space is to be walled off (visually at least) from the rest of the space. --Berticus 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
    • I reiterate that we may not need to wall off the space, but I agree and will keep storage off the window wall.--MadScientist 19:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
  • The back wall has a pipe that I think would be too low for the lockers you've put there (I *think* those are lockers at least). --Berticus 01:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Comments on C

  • The big work bench is nice, but the desks end up more scattered.--MadScientist 14:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Can we actually fit an 8x8 bench down the stairs and through the door? --Alvarop 02:59, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
    • I think an 8x8 workbench would be cheaper to build from scratch in place, so no worries about the door :) --Joshshua 17:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
    • Exactly what I was thinking. 2x4s and two sheets of plywood could make a good bench fast and easy. This design method would also work for the really long bench that Berticus was asking for.--MadScientist 07:50, 8 January 2010 (UTC)